E Bikes

Call for them to have number plates and Insurance

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Its about time something was done about themThere is a kid about 9/10 yr old who is always flying up and down the streets near me on an E-scooter and he is not bothered about any moving traffic near him. If he got knocked off the scooter his parent/s would be blaming the other driver not their son who during the week should be at school not riding round on a E-scooter

there are already laws in place for the police to take the bike off, anyone under 14 and a owner/use must conform to

the rules of e biking

We cyclists are hated by the motorist because.
1. we travel free
2. we get there quicker
3. we have priority over motorists
4. we are truly eco friendly
5. we/ve no need to wait in congestion
I tell all other cyclists not to smile so much because it winds the motorists up and if the tax man finds out how much fun we have, he'll rock our boat so, Please carry on hating us

here's a ride I did on thursday

Peterp there is a difference between an "e scooter" and an E bike. But I get where you are coming from.

1st mate I know the difference just stating not only should E-cycles should have ID plates and insurance so should E-scooters and if need be bicycles. We hear about cyclist being injured/killed by other vehicles but how many pedestrians are injured/killed by cyclists and the rider does not stop

No probs with genuine pedal cyclists .these nee'r do wells who flagrantly give two fingers to one and all are A*** H****...see them every day outside my home...they wear hoodies and face masks and raz up and down my street...but god forbid one gets mangled because of no helmet...or refusing to stop for police when required to do so..Joe public shout "police murderers". All they have to do is STOP..If you don't ..don't expect a local heroes funeral..15yrs of age is no time to die...for the sake of a leccy bike

"15yrs of age is no time to die...for the sake of a leccy bike"
Absolutely. Maybe E bike owners should consider that they are riding a lethal weapon.

Those surlon bikes are also a nuisance , A fully lectric motor bike, they have no pedals and will do 50 mph, often seen with teenagers riding with no protective gear, Wizzing up roads and paths doing wheelies and being anti social , They are about £3 to 5 grand to buy so. they either have rich parents or are stealing them or paying for them by ill gotton gains,

These are the people the law needs to stop, Do not associate these clowns with E bike riders like myself,,

"These are the people the law needs to stop, Do not associate these clowns with E bike riders like myself"

We are discussing E bikes number plates and insurance of the same. It's not all about you

I agree....my friend was in a collision with one of them at lower Ince last week...pulled off the kerb and hit passenger side....got back to his feet and scuttled off down an alley way...£750 estimate to repair his door...

Tom we know you are not an idiot on your bike but how do we differentiate between the good and the bad Its no difference that any other vehicle which have to have number plates and insurance If you use the public highway/footpath cycle way then the vehicle should be insured and have some type of ID. The majority will have to pay for the minority again

No matter what legislation they bring out , there will always be rouge bikers/motorists/dog walkers/ scooter riders etc, There's no cure for stupid but charging the law abiding public is making the good folks pay for others bad behaviour and is putting the cart in front of the horse,
There are thousands of cycle / car accidents every week, the cyclist comes worse off every time, To my knowledge a cyclist has never killed a motorist BUT many cyclists have been killed by motorists so,, Lets make them more cyclist aware

"We're gooin' forra raaaaide douyn Pem on th'E-baaaaikes, laaaaike"!

If the UK follows the way it works over here with e bikes / E-scooters... First you need a driving license or you need to sit for a e bike license and be over 16....... 2 When you rent a e bikes / E-scooters on an app you have to show a license and take a photo wearing a helmet 3 The e bikes / E-scooters works with your phones GPS so if you drive in places were its not allowed it will slow or stop the e bikes / E-scooters....... Also they all have number plates and you just cant leave the e bikes / E-scooters wherever you want on the street when you have finished because it will not turn off and it will keep charging you till you put it in a special parking spaces.... Sometime i wish the UK gov would look how other country's do stuff ?? And i am not just talking about e bikes!!!!

"And i am not just talking about e bikes!!!!"

No, e bygums as well !

Peter Israel
If an e bike was in an accident at it was proved it was the riders fault, who would the car driver claim off if the bike/rider had no insurance. Plus with no number plate, the rider may do a runner.

The law over here is very different!!! The driver of the car is always responsible.... the law will say the car driver should have seen it coming and knowing that kids were on scooter/bikes ! And should drive accordingly in all cases...

In your example ? if the rider did a runner how can you prove it was the riders fault... if you woke up in the morning and you had a dent in the car! who would pay? YOU

The problem you have in the UK is not with E bikes / E-scooters IT's with teenage morons...

drivers are at fault as well arnt they ? . try to cycle down the pathway on the road down wigan rd specialy put there for cyclists to ride down but CANT BECAUSE OF DRIVERS WHO PARK THEIR CARS THERE illegally .

Whups if the edge of the cycle lane is a continuous white line then it is illegal to park in the cycle lane. If the white line is a broken white line then cars can park legally in the cycle lane and the council know this

correct Peter and that renders the cycle lane, A complete waste of tax payers money and the Clowncil know that also,

I do not hate you TOMPLUM But i do believe that those cyclist's should be made to pay for / Road Tax and Insurance .& M.OT , similar to all other road users ,ok TOM nowt personnel ! G.B.

yes but they keep on breaking the law so it isnt all the cyclists fault is it .

GB you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that but, If a cyclist was made to pay for being the , none polluting , eco friendly , congestion relieving , noiseless and low threat to others safety traveler , that he is then, Pram pushers , disabled scooters , shopping trolleys and wheelie bins would also need to pay,
This government encourages us cyclist in fact many MP's ride a bike to work because, its quicker than roads because of traffic congestion so. I don't see any likelihood of that unless Whupsys party wins the next election and even then, It will be a low priority so my advice GB is,
Deal with it, join us and come riding, you'll enjoy the freedom of the road and laugh as I do went we Zipp past standing traffic and see the stress on the faces of all those stuck once again ,,

They should be insured like a car or motorbike. Also number plates to identify the rider. IMO

"They should be insured like a car or motorbike. Also number plates to identify the rider. IMO"

A number plate on a bike wouldn't identify the rider, just like a number plate on a car doesn't identify the driver.

But Tonks people can be traced by the number plate

Peter, there is an epidemic of clone cars, the owner looks round for a similar car and makes clone reg plates , That way he can go thou lights, park free and not be traced, It would happen with bikes too,
where there is tax, there is a fiddle

I propose that all morons on E/scooters/bikes whatever be Shot on sight.

Thats how much we are hated BB, join us and feel the power of the big green monster ( envy) glaring from all four directions, Its much more than , Economy, efficiency and fun,,,

The "registered keeper" can be traced by the number plate (if it's the correct number plate). Whereas, the "driver" cannot!

TP ..keep on cycling...whatever happened to the good old 3 gear bikes ? Proper cyclists rode them...not the E bike battery things...or 27 gear thingy's...You won't have big thighs like Arny if you rely on battery power.

Sturmey-Archer

BB I had the single geared bikes, the 3 geared bikes, and then came the ole derailleur and then the 27 geared bikes, I rode them all over the years and getting an E bike increases the fun of it by 80%, I still have ' unplugged' bikes for normal popping into Wigan or going to the shop but for my big rides, Its e bikes and mine are all legal and conform to the laws, If any new laws came spoiling our fun we can hit back hard, The latest gov't asked ua all to cycle in the centre of the road to calm traffic, We don't do because the motorist will be Pizzed off royal, If the law changed, Expect BIG problems,

Won't shoot the good guys TP

you cant very well blame the cyclists if they are forced onto the road like they are on wigan rd .

Tom

Why are yoo being so 'warrior like' yoo seem to be spoiling for a fight, a bicycle v motorised vehicle fight.

Yoo hooligan yoo

nay lad nay and thrice nay, I am the unofficial caretaker and unappointed Kings Champion to the Court of , 'The bikeshed' a secret organization with designs on taking over the British roads and giving our future generations, Clear air, We will introduce, walking to skool, biking to work, We will banish drive throus and unnecessary trips to shopping centres, Each town will have rows of corner shops that sell locally grown food and locally manufactured goods , Its early days yet but, We are the future

And a clog maker on every high street.

nay lad nay and thrice nay, I am the unofficial caretaker and unappointed Kings Champion to the Court of , 'The bikeshed' a secret organization with designs on taking over the British roads and giving our future generations, Clear air, We will introduce, walking to skool, biking to work, We will banish drive throus and unnecessary trips to shopping centres, Each town will have rows of corner shops that sell locally grown food and locally manufactured goods , Its early days yet but, We are the future

The bloke can't run a forum successfully.
So I don't think his plan should should worry anybody.

yes Ena , We all had clogs as kids because they were , repairable and upgradeable no need for new shoes every term, Mum took us to the local cobbler who would, re iron the soles and stitch up the leather and we were good to go for another season and what fun we had sliding down cobbled streets making sparks with the new irons,
happy days and evenings

I still wear clogs: well maybe not so much in Summertime, but I have three pairs currently on the go. These are all Scandinavian type, but up to some time in the 1990's, I also had Lancashire clogs (Actually made in Stockport, but Lancs type), Whitehaven clogs, and Dutch clogs (all wood).

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I hope the lady concerned makes a full recovery.

Legal electric bikes, have to conform to a strict specification LINK anything else, such as the conversions made from online kits, are classed as being mopeds, and as such they should be licensed as should the rider of the moped.

Have I missed something. Does it say that the one involved in this tragic
accident had been converted?

A spokesperson said: “Officers are now appealing for anyone with any information – or who may have dashcam, CCTV, or doorbell footage from the time of the incident – to please come forward.

“Information can be passed to officers by contacting 101 or 0161 856 4741, quoting log number 1922 of 01/08/23.

“Alternatively, information can be passed to the independent charity Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555111.”

If e bikes should be exempt from tax insurance and mot because of their eco friendly state does that mean that electric
cars should have the same privilege?

I don't know if it was a converted one or not, but when you see an electric bike speeding along, you can be pretty certain that it is not a legal one.

I wonder if it's the pair who have been seen all over the Borough with balaclavas on?

I'm all for providing better facilities for cyclists. Germany, Sweden, etc tend to have it to perfection. Our attempt is very fragmented (not Wigan alone but the general UK) and doesn't have any real positive effect overall. In our age where we endeavour to reduce our carbon footprint, these useless bits of fragmented cycle lanes, plus the one-ways, no entries, etc add to the congested traffic or huge detours... adding to pollution - it makes no sense.
Anyway, just a scenario for you - I was driving up King Street and cyclists/scooters were driving the wrong way. I friendly indicated that it was a one way system and one guy raised 2 fingers to me. I didn't react as I am a responsible driver. Just waited for a safe passage. One reaching the top of King Street drivers there is a crossing then drivers are directed to turn right (apart from taxis and buses). I paused to let pedestrians over the crossing then slowly (luckily) proceeded. A taxi coming up Wallgate and looking at his phone failed to observe the give way and I had to slam onto the brakes... then as I proceeded, a guy on a bike flying along in the wrong direction on a one way street (again looking at his phone) caused me to slam on again - bloody idiots who have no concept of the rules of the road. If they behave like that on cycles and scooters, how will they behave when they get a car licence!!!

Also, I was in Bristol and waiting to cross a busy dual carriageway at pedestrian lights in the centre. As out pedestrian lights indicated green I walked on to then dodge 3 e-bikes who had no concept of what a red light means!!!

No body seems to know who is driving any vehicle or bikes these days , even the police aren't sure when they stop somebody it's seems the honest drivers end up paying the bill for damage by unknown driers

I say don't tar everyone with the same brush.

The Police have been given the powers to confiscate illegal ebikes and escooters and until they start to stop the culprits the problem is only going to get worse.

I've seen a gang of youths on surron e bikes, they are illegal to ride on the road or paths or any public place and the riders wear ski masks, they are up to no good and the police as yet, have done nothing to stop them, Those bikes are £5000 to buy so, unless the owners are children of rich folks, they are probably stolen,
I ride a road worthy E bike. it has a pedal assist system totally legal and I obey MOST of the highway code rules,
judge not so that. yee shall also be not judged,,

Major Law Changes

Tha reet TP.... I see it every day..nee'r do wells on quads..off road bikes all wearing balaclavas. In London now the dregs are robbing folk daily from scooters etc ..It must come that the powers that be should authorise police to ram these nee'r do wells and stop them. If they kill them accidently doing so . .. Oops. In Brazil the community has been allowed to ram and kill these dregs without punishment...when will we catch on...time for the do-gooders to spout

same as it works here

As with many things there are rules which are not enforced, take Mobility Scooters you must have a disability to use one, all class 3 must be registered with the DVLA and have a V5 but it is not a requirement to display the number plate, scooters above a certain weight the user must have a driving licence, footpath speed is limited to 4mph.So in my view new legislation should cover all these e- vehicles and be enforced, proactively not in retrospect folloing an accident.

I totally agree with you Orrellite, Cars are parking with 4 wheels on the footpath, on yellow lines, in bus stops, the are reversing into main roads, shooting through red lights, exceeding the 20 mph speed limits, Rules are broken by fools and nobody is enforcing them, So futher rules are just wasting the taxpayers funds by spending the time making them,

T P
I am sure another one dear to you as a cyclist is the parking on the Ormskirk Road combined footpath and cycle track which is an offence unlike parking on a normal footpath.

And the new green cycle lanes in Wallgate, customers of Enterprize and the car garage next door, both use it as a ' drop off' and 'pick up' point with the old well used phrase, " we'll only be a minute",,,, Not to mention the painted dotted line cycle lanes, Which are just useless with cars parked in them,

Orrellite it does not matter whether it is a combined footpath/cycle path or a normal footpath it is an offence to drive/park on a footpath unless using a drop kerb to drive over a footpath to access your property. If you knock your wall down to park your car on your property and do not have a dropped kerb then it is an offence to drive over the footpath . This is a police matter but trying to get them to enforce it is nearly impossible

I think that it is great to see old fogies mixed in with the local cycling groups.
A lot of them are using electric bikes so they they can keep up with the young riders. I regularly see them on the canal towpath.

Bill we go to Rivington a lot and there are loads of what you call old fogies up there, in their 80's from bolton cycling club, We get chatting to them and lots are still on regular pedal bike, Chatting to one last month who is 87 and still doing regular 50 mile rides on a normal pedal bike and their secret is, riding from young and keep it up, like the old saying,

' use it or lose it'

P P
It is not illegal to park on a normal footpath except in London but you could be done for obstruction you are correct in saying that you cannot drive on a footpath other than on an authorised crossing. So having said that how do you park on a footpath without driving on it ?

On about the parking in the joint cycle/pedestrian path on Ormskirk Road, where are the vans and lorries which are doing deliveries to the shops on Ormskirk Road going to park, if they stop on the main road, they will effectively block it off to other traffic, and as regards Enterprise Car Hire which I have used a few times meself, where do you want their cars to operate from, do you want them parking up on Wallgate at that location, and on Ormskirk Road and Wallgate and the Saddle Gyratory, how many sodding cyclists do you see using the cycle lanes ?

**Sweary**

Tommy Tee Bone, Yoo are missing the whole point of WHY those cycle lane were build at much expence to the tax payer and many months of traffic disruption to local drivers at which, they vented their anger at us, the cyclists,
They are built in the hope that people will see the harm cars are doing to themselves and the environment and that cycling and walking is much healthier and kinder in the long run to their children but, if cars are using the cycle lanes then this is no longer a pleasure to use as, If a cyclist tells a motorist off. he/she gets verbal obtuse and that can lead to physical assault, I know this from personal experience, Lots and lots of drivers still do not know or completely ignore the 'one and a half meter 'rule to give to cyclists and if the police had a purge on that, They would get rich quick from the fines given out,,

Tom

I don't know if I have told this tale before, but in the 1970s there was a cycle lane on the Blackpool to Garstang Road and I was wanting to try me bike, me racer out on it, back then I knew of no other cycle lane anywhere around here, only that one, and on every occasion, from being too young to remember, and then into me teens I never saw a cyclist using that cycle lane, and then I found out Y when I did use it, it turned out to be full of crap, glass, stones it were terrible, so I had to cycle on the main road which was busy and at the national speed limit, I looked all the way along the cycle lane, and it was in the same state, it needed a good sweeping, with a big brush, point is Tom, that there was nobody using cycle lanes in the 1970s, so why won't the governments get the message, that normal folk don't want cycle lanes, they want car lanes, we are not like Holland (flat) there are too many hills in this country for there to be a lot of cyclists

Well Tommy s Lanes, if yoo had aimed for Southport instead of Blackpool, there has been a cycle lane ALL the way down the Rainford bypass on BOTH sides which has been there as long as I can remember and I use it a lot today because its very usable,,

When was the Rainford Bypass opened ? as in when was it made into a dual carriageway and cycle lanes ?

I am sure it was after the 1970s.

I remember cycling down there as a skool kid 14/15 years old, So it defo in the 1960's